Thanks Jeff,
I've started a thread specific to settings, but here is a grab of the source file properties, also it's animation.
Re: Encore Transcoding issue
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Re: Recommended DVD and Blu-ray settings for animation and source quality?
For DVD, encode as MPEG-2 DVD and use the NTSC DV Widescreen Progressive preset. Encode CBR using 8.0 rate. You can activate Max Render since source is being scaled HD to SD.
For Blu-Ray, encode as H.264 Blu-Ray using the 720p59.94 preset. Maybe 20-25mbps for data rate....the source is only 8mbps so no benefit to going too high, won't look any better in doing so.
Thanks
Jeff
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Re: Recommended DVD and Blu-ray settings for animation and source quality?
Thanks guys!
2 pass VBR doesn't make sense here? for either formats?
Appreciated.
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Re: Recommended DVD and Blu-ray settings for animation and source quality?
CBR = Constant Bit Rate
VBR = Variable Bit Rate
For shorter videos, VBR is not needed in my opinion. At "best quality", a DVD can hold 60 minutes of video. If the video is 60 minutes or less in duration, we can simply use the best quality and not worry about running out of space! Basically, encode at CBR 8.0 and all the video will look its best. Every scene is encoded with maximum quality - we have the space, so why not? Okay, technically we can go a little higher than 8mbps for video, but in general 8.0 is considered a good spot to be, without pushing the limits of the DVD-R medium. Audio will take additional bandwidth as well.
What VBR does is to vary the bit rate up and down according to the needs of the scenes being encoded, while trying to maintain an average bitrate that will allow all the content to still fit the disc. So the user will set MIN, AVG, and MAX bit rates for the encoder to work with. For a very simple scene, say a static white title on black screen, that would take very little bandwidth to encode and still look great. This scene might be encoded at the MIN bit rate, and therefore the bandwidth that was saved by encoding that scene at a low bit rate can be applied to another more complex scene at a rate above the average, to keep the quality up when there is a lot of detail and motion in the scene.
Basically, VBR is allocating the bandwidth to different scenes based on need. This provides a more consistent quality on long videos versus encoding at a consistent (but low) bit rate. Scenes that really need it can use a higher bit rate and scenes that don't need the higher bit rate are not wasting that bandwidth.
So what is 2-Pass VBR? The video gets encoded in two passes. The first pass analyzes the content of the video. For each scene, is there a lot of motion, a lot of detail? How much or how little bandwidth will the scene need to look decent? The second pass actually does the encoding, based on what the best bit rates were determined to be for each scene in the previous analyzing pass.
2-Pass VBR is more efficient than VBR because VBR is just kind of guessing at things "on the fly" where 2-Pass VBR has the opportunity to think it over a bit more and get more selective with how the quality is distributed for maximum efficiency. Of course, 2-Pass takes a bit longer to encode then.
In another post, I'd said not to use 35mbps for Blu-ray encoding, so when I say above to go ahead and max out the DVD rate, it might seem contradictory. The reason is that burned DVDs have practically 100% playback compatibility these days compared to years ago when it was hit-and-miss. Burned Blu-ray discs on the other hand can still be more finicky, with some players refusing to play BD-R discs at all while others might have intermittent issues or others might work fine.
We are improving the odds of smooth, glitch-free playback by not "maxing out" the Blu-Ray data rate. Anyway, the viewer honestly is not going to see any visual difference between a clip recorded at 25mbps versus 30 or 30mbps. There is just a point where the clip is not going to keep looking better with higher date rates. H.264 compression is very efficient and we can get better quality at lower data rates compared to the older, less efficient MPEG-2 encoding used with DVD. So we just don't need to push the data rate as much to get good results on Blu-ray.
For shorter clips where disc space is not a concern, I prefer CBR because (at least years ago) the sudden changes in VBR data rates could cause playback glitches. When the data rate would suddenly spike from very low to very high, it could affect playback of the DVD. So for any DVD less than an hour, I just go with a CBR 8 setting and life is good.
For DVDs past an hour, a rule of thumb is 560/minutes = bit rate. For a 120-minute video, the math says 4.66 but I round down a bit for safety margin so I'd use 4.5 then. And so forth for other rates like 90 minutes, 130 minutes, etc. and then you would also be using VBR so this number is the target or average bitrate and you have to decide how much above and below you want to go. So it might look like 3 - 4.5 - 7 for example. you decide (encoding VBR for Blu-Ray, you will only enter Target and Max, no Min)
A bit rate calculator app for DVD and Blu-Ray can be helpful, but you must be careful with the numbers you plug into the formula, since one wrong entry will throw off the end result. And with Blu-ray, you don't have to use the number it gives you - you are certainly free to go LOWER if the suggested bit rate is high. The calculator is more helpful for longer videos so you can figure out the max bit rate you can use without creating a file that won't fit the disc.
DVD-HQ : Bitrate & GOP calculator
Since your video is only 51 minutes, I'd just go CBR 8 for the DVD, and for the Blu-ray, perhaps CBR 25? I see no need to go higher though, as the source itself is only 8mbps.
Thanks
Jeff Pulera
Safe Harbor
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Re: Recommended DVD and Blu-ray settings for animation and source quality?
Jeff, thank you for that. I am going with those settings you recommend. Also, what's your recommendation for the frame rate on the DVD? It's giving me the option of 23.97 or 29.97
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Re: Recommended DVD and Blu-ray settings for animation and source quality?
Definitely use the 29.97 rate to match the source video. While it looks like the animation was created at exactly 30.0 fps, video runs at 29.97 so that's as close as you can get. Do not go with 24 fps - you'd quite literally be throwing away 6 frames every second, with playback motion then being more choppy or having a certain judder to it.
Thanks
Jeff
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Re: Recommended DVD and Blu-ray settings for animation and source quality?
Thank you Jeff, I was thinking the same.
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Too bright image! Premiere CC 2018 to Encore CS6 DVD
I have PAL 16:9 video looks OK on Premiere and also on Encore preview, but final DVD is too bright.
See here my settings:
On far left you can see on Premieres monitor that black is OK. Then on center is preview window of Encore, still OK.
On Far right there is DVD playback on VLC media player and you can see the black is too bright. Same problem is when DVD is viewed on DVD player.
On Premiere, here are my export settings:
Something wrong here? I cannot see...
Finally, here is my encore settings:
As you see I do not transcode the video on Encore.
What can I do? Please help, deadline is sooooon here!!
Yours,
Pekka
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Re: Too bright image! Premiere CC 2018 to Encore CS6 DVD
The project preset does not tell us whether Encore accepts your video without transcoding. what do you see in the Encore project panel under the DVD Transcode status column?
Not part of your issue, but you can remove the thin black lines on the sides of your video by setting to "scale to fill" in the PR export settings (in the left).
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Re: Too bright image! Premiere CC 2018 to Encore CS6 DVD
I see there "Don´t transcode" there.
I try the "scale to fill" option, thanks!
Anyway that is a minor problem, and this wrong gamma / black level is the main problem. I sure hope I can find a solution from this forum!
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Re: Too bright image! Premiere CC 2018 to Encore CS6 DVD
Thanks. Yes, that looks like Encore should not be transcoding.
Really no idea what could cause this.
Copy a vob from the DVD (build to folder works ok for this purpose) to your harddrive and import to Premiere. What do the scopes show?
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Re: Too bright image! Premiere CC 2018 to Encore CS6 DVD
Thanks. I did this.
What I see is this:
In premiere the black level of the vob file is ok, but the image dimensions are just totally wrong - 540 x 576 pixels. Whoa..
But then, the same vob file looks much too bright on VLC player. See the difference on my purple arrow. There is VLC player screen capture over the premiere playback of this vob file.
IT looks same in dvd player that it looks on VLC player, black is not black but cray.
Pekka
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Re: Too bright image! Premiere CC 2018 to Encore CS6 DVD
The 540x576 is an oddity usually relating to trying to import (unsupported) mod files. I found one other post regarding vob files. Odd.
But the color space looks like it survives, so no help regarding the odd playback/conversion. Not sure what to suggest.
If Encore accepts the file as DVD legal, it should only mux the video/audio together and not change the video part of the file.
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Totally lost with burning video to DVD
I'm new to the forums (first post!) as well as burning video to a disc, and sad to say I'm in a bit of a jam.
I can't seem to get it right when it comes to using Adobe Encore to export my video to burn to a DVD disc.
Here's some info about the settings and what I'm doing:
*Windows 10
*40 min video
*Memorex DVD-R disc, 16X 4.7GB 120min
*Queued and coded (format as MPEG-DVD) in Adobe Media Encoder
*Brought into Adobe Encore where I put the project into the timeline, and set the build to DVD settings.
*After all this I find the end product to be a group of files my PC can't recognize/can't open.
*I've bought this group of files to test-play on my Playstation 3 (as a DVD player the only device that is considered a DVD player in my household)
and interestingly enough a handful of files were playable, but the video was broken up into 3 different files, pausing in 15 min segments.
*In total the video was broken up and had to be played in 3 different files. With a requirement to back out in between the 3 files. I plan to test it on a regular DVD player to see what happens in the near future.
Below I included a screenshot of the group of files I get after I go through the Encore process. (Btw I'm not making menu options since it is not required of me. Autoplay is fine for my needs.)
I have no idea if a regular DVD player will just "string" these video files together and play like normal, but my gut tells me this is very, very wrong...lol.
Any help would be a godsend at this point. Self help articles, forum posts, and YouTube videos wasn't enough.
Thank you in advance!
edit: If MPEG-DVD isn't the right format, (I believe it is, from multiple sources pointing towards it for my needs.) then I guess I should know that haha.
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Re: Totally lost with burning video to DVD
Somewhat dated now, but still some good information
PPro/Encore tutorial list http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1448923 has lots of tutorial links to help learn... scroll down to the Encore section
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Re: Totally lost with burning video to DVD
I'll look into it and get back you
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Re: Totally lost with burning video to DVD
Yes, test it on a DVD/BD player hooked to a TV. It may work. PS3s are not always compatible. Your PC may not have the right software to play a DVD. And then it may not work! Let us know.
It is normal for a DVD to divide your timeline into 1 gig chunks. The files you see are correct for a DVD.
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Re: Totally lost with burning video to DVD
Oh wow that's the best news I've heard all holiday weekend! I'm going to have to visit a relative to test to see if it works on their DVD player lol.
Will update when I've ran some tests.
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Re: Totally lost with burning video to DVD
Rather than building the VIDEO_TS folder to the hard drive, build as an IMAGE which results in an .iso file. The free VLC Media Player can play the .iso file just as if it's a DVD.
Any DVD burning app that can burn an .iso to disc will result in a proper DVD. By proper, I mean the disc must be burned in a specific way so that a DVD player will recognize the disc as a VIDEO DVD and not as a DATA disc. Or just Build to Disc from Encore.
Right now, you simply have the files that would appear on a DVD, but it's not really a DVD yet.
Thanks
Jeff
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Re: Totally lost with burning video to DVD
Jeff, all good comments. But I believe he has in fact burned a DVD n Encore and is trying to play that on the computer and PS3.
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